Labour may self destruct on Syria vote

The question of Syria is hugely complicated. No one is pretending it isn’t. Least of all us. 

The world is a stage and with so many players and so much deceit it’s hard to know who the villains and heroes of the piece are. 

We won’t go into who is who in this unfolding drama as likely you already know. Everyone has their good and bad guys and gals. 

It was announced yesterday that David Cameron is to spend £12billion on 138 stealth fighter jets. –  In an interview with The Sunday Times, George Osborne said the investment will ensure the UK has the world’s second most potent carrier strike force after the United States, with the resources to tackle IS and other extremist groups for a generation. – That sounds to us like the government honestly believes that Bombing other countries is the answer to all our problems. 

Wether you do or don’t isn’t the only issue. Cameron, with £12bn in cuts to welfare has decided that Bombing other countries is far more important than supporting the most vulnerable in this country and what about the refugees from Syria? Cameron has spent over £1Billion to help them, since 2011 that is and we are second largest contributors for aid to Syrian refugees. Just think about what’s needed then ask yourself if £1billion in 5 years enough? When you weigh up £12billion for 138 war planes that would likely be Bombing Syria, it kind of puts things into perspective. 

Within a week or two Cameron will be calling for the vote on airstrikes in Syria and its this moment that will define the Labour Party and may well be the first act that truely impacts one way or another what happens to Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party. 

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Corbyn was ushered in by the public as leader on a message of hope, change, peace, fairness and anti austerity. If Corbyn fails to get his party onto the same hymn sheet as himself it may just turn out to be the beginning of the end for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn and may even prove to be the end of Labour as a party of any significance. Of course Corbyn may well yet vote in favour of airstrikes in Syria. Stranger things have happened. 

There are PLP members who have the daggers out for Corbyn and who would put it past them to vote against Corbyn just to spite him. 

He likely can’t win. Should he win the vote the right wing press will go to town on him with headlines like “Corbyn betrays his country” and if he loses the vote then we will likely see headlines such as “Labour in Chaos as MP’s rebel”. 

Regardless of that however Corbyn’s supporters should unite behind him screaming the message loud and clear. No more bombs in Syria. We know from history that Bombing terrorists is a short fix at best. Today’s moderate terrorists are tomorrow’s hardliners. The Conservatives would argue that ISIL are the most deadly terrorist organisation in history. No. Boko Haram are. They have killed more people than ISIS and are also crossing borders in Africa but we don’t see the same level of effort to rid the world of that disease, but then they are not attacking the West. Yet. 

So why Syria? What is it that is so important with Syria that we just have to join the fight? Maybe it’s because Russia has made a fool out of NATO. Maybe it’s because it’s easier to Bomb the Middle East in some way? Maybe it’s because the real goal is not ISIS but Assad instead? After all, how else do you explain the U.S. administrations admission that for the past year the U.S. has not been doing anything in Syria to tackle ISIS? 

So what can Corbyn’s supporters do? Well it’s out of their hands in terms of how the Labour MP’s vote but they can help undecided members of the public see Corbyn in a good light and see Syria as a country that needs help. Not Bombs. Indiscriminate in nature and destructive that they are. 

It’s not just innocent victims we should be concerned about after all. It’s the infrastructure, the fact we have been making things worse by arming moderate rebels, the risk of alienating yet more Middle Eastern people. The risk of an international war breaking out between rival nations… over Syria itself. With far-right rhetoric coming to the fore all across Europe, now more than ever the anti war movement needs its voice to be louder than ever. United. 

Stop the War has a petition running that urgently needs a quick signature from you and the social media campaign ‘Black out for Syria’ needs your backing. 

Then once done. Get behind Corbyn and lobby Labour MP’s to let them know the strength of feeling. Especially the ones most likely to vote against Corbyn. You can lobby your MP here using this clever tool that takes just 2 minutes to use 

For the  >>> ‘stop the war’ petition click the link here <<<

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We have witnessed some horrifying videos of atrocities in Syria committed by all sides. We blame governments, especially western governments for their ineptitude and failing to learn from past mistakes but ultimately the people that suffer the most are innocents civilians and particularly children who don’t even know what is going on.

If nothing else, it’s clear that Bombs are going to add to that misery. #blackoutforsyria

***OVERALL MESSAGE***

Whatever your position on the Syrian crisis we can all agree on one thing, Syria is a mess. Syria is a pawn for the political players. It’s time we sent a message via social media that instead of supporting one atrocity over another or ‘choosing sides’ or deciding how many Bombs to drop we should all stand in unity and say to our governments no more suffering. No more bombs. No more revenge. No more proxy wars. No more arming so called moderate groups. We want transparency and openness. #blackoutforsyria

***WHAT TO DO***

Please join us and help start something by blacking out your profile photo and cover photo for one week starting Monday 23rd November until 30th November. You can start now and end whenever you like but please black out for that week at least. #blackoutforsyria

Make your profile photo AND your cover photo black & blank. NOTHING ELSE. 

  
The more people do this the more questions will be asked and the more will join and with some luck it may be picked up by the media and the message will be heard loud and clear. 

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The one question all politicians must answer. Who?

Our leaders are meant to protect us. We entrust that our leaders will make the correct choices and make rational judgements. 

Why then are we in a situation where we are using the Paris atrocity as a reason to go into Syria militarily? The reason is because IS are in Syria, but IS have been in Syria for well over a year so why now? If you have watched the wall to wall media coverage recently you will realise that it’s in large part down to the idea that IS terrorists have infiltrated our borders via the migrant crisis and that they are all heading this way en mass. 

Not one of the terrorists involved in the Paris attacks have been shown to have come from Syria. Not one has been proven to have come via the migrant crisis. In fact every identified terrorist so far has been proven to be either a French or Belgium national. So why are we pushing to go to war in Syria? 

Yet again the people will have been duped into supporting more Bombs and more war and in the process creating more terrorists. History tells us that intervention in the Middle East ends the same way, more or less, each and every time. 

“The terrorists” already have british and U.S. weapons and vehicles. Going back until at least the middle of the 1990’s and beyond the West has been supplying and training “moderate” groups in the Middle East, to be used as proxies in our own interests and each and every time it has backfired on the West immensely. The most obvious example is Al Qaeda. Trained and armed by the U.S. When Iraq became a waste ground after the second Iraq war a group broke off from Al Qaeda and took many of the West’s weapons and vehicles and started their own organisation in their own vision. Their name? ISIS.

ISIS began their deadly assault across Iraq and it was quite some time before the West realised what was happening on the ground and soon it became apparent that IS were heading towards Syria. Syria was already in the midst of a civil war. Rebel groups there had decided that they did not want the Assad regime any longer. However it soon became apparent that other moderate terrorist groups were infiltrating the rebels including the likes of al-Nusra. The concern at the time was that IS would soon infiltrate these groups and recruit the rebels. 

Even prior to IS reaching Syria the West had been warning that IS posed the ‘single greatest threat to world stability’ and that they were ruthless and their numbers were growing day in day out, at one point figures were being quoted as the grip being 10,000 strong, possibly many more. We in the West were left in no doubt that IS were the most dangerous terrorist organisation we had ever faced. 

If anyone can recall, the efforts to stop them reaching Syria was quite frankly pathetic. The U.S. claimed they had started to Bomb them from the air and the Iraq forces were mobilised to try and stop them on the ground. They all failed. Having seemingly not even dented their numbers nor their resolve. Remember, this group were the single greatest threat to world stability and we had the access to Iraq and the permission of the Iraqi (puppet) government to be there. The efforts were paltry. 

At some stage IS entered Syria and the chance was gone. Fear not, the US and its allies promised they would follow IS into Syria and destroy them. The civil war continued but over a year and a half later.. Where are we? 

The U.S. has admitted that it is there in part to see that Assad is removed from power for his barbarous behaviour towards his people and that they have been funding and arming moderate rebel groups to fight the Assad regime. When this was discovered the US claimed they would pull the plug on the funding. Recall earlier we mentioned that these groups had been infiltrate by terrorist organisations but that didn’t seem to concern the US. As a side issue, IS remained in Syria, barely touched. What had the US been doing for a year and a half? 

Then of course Russia stepped in and within a couple of months has done more damage, along with the Kurds and support of the Iranians, to IS than America has done in the past year and a half. Think about that. How can that possibly be? 

We must not forget that if the US had been targeting just IS it is possible that the threat of European home grown terrorism would have been stifled. That the Paris attacks this year may never have happened. That intervention would have been legal. To look to tackle Assad though and to be in Syria for that purpose is against international law. Regardless of what you may think of Assad himself. Don’t be fooled. There are plenty of dictators around the world we could tackle but don’t and likely never will. 

What though does all this have to do with our intervention now? Surely tackling IS now is the way forward if everyone is on the same page. As Frankie Boyle put it, tackling IS by Bombing them is akin to dealing with a wasps nest by hitting it with a stick. If anything what you will be doing is making those bees far more angry and dispersing them.. Perhaps across Europe. 

If history in the Middle East has taught us anything it’s this; our strategy fails every single time. 

Afghanistan was a long war. The West lost plenty of troops. They said it could be another Vietnam. Unwinnable. The troops have all but left yet recent reports suggest the Taliban are beginning to take back ground and push the countries military back. Will this war have been for nothing? 

Don’t be fooled by Iraq either, it’s currently the focus of the world but it’s got a long history and it’s almost certain that rebel groups will emerge once more when the dust settles. 

The Middle East is like water. You can put pressure on it however much you like, it will just displace somewhere else until the pressure is released.

So what of the French bombing runs  on Raqqa, Syria? 

The reports coming in from the French sorties on Raqqa have already said that in some cases “empty buildings” were hit, and in other reports that IS have fled Raqqa and gone to the next town/city. Bombs dropped for nothing. Some reports have suggested that their have either been “no” reported civilian casualties or there have been  “some” civilian casualties. Any civilian casualty is too much. Especially if you haven’t found your target. 

Let’s hope that’s not the case because that’s one of the things Assad was accused of doing ‘to his own people’ and one of the reasons why the US wants to remove Assad.

But it’s France, so it probably doesn’t matter. 

We also heard that Emwarzi (aka Jihadi John) and the leader of IS in Libya were killed by US drone strikes within days of each other. 

Apart from raising the question of, if you knew where these people are why haven’t you done more to tackle IS in the last year and a half.. Have we had that ‘confirmation’ of either kill yet? Considering it was never reported as being definite or was this just part of the effort to outdo Russia’s involvement?

On PMQ’s today Jeremy Corbyn asked David Cameron what he will do about the people, institutions and countries that are funding and supporting IS. David Cameron said that it was banks “that had been taken over” by IS, the oil depos “that had been taken over by IS” that needed to be dealt with but did not address in any way whatsoever the question of countries or states that are supporting IS. Putin recently stated the same thing as Jeremy Corbyn, in fact he went further, citing the same charge but far more directly. This is not a coincidence. Someone is arming and funding IS. It’s high time the British people asked the question, “Who?”. 

It’s also high time the victims of the French terror attacks also asked the question, “Who?”

Syria is a mess and as sure as night follows day and day follows night this isn’t going to end well for someone and the effects of our actions today will continue to reverberate through generations of confused Middle Eastern citizens. One day they too will ask the same question we should be asking now. “Who?” 

The Vienna agreement that no one seems to have noticed…

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On the day after the Vienna talks, and the announcement of a tentative agreement between the US and Russia over the Syrian crisis, this was the front page of the Guardian…

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And this was the World page of the Guardian…

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And this was the Middle East page of the Guardian

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In fact, to cut a long story short we haven’t been able to find a single news item on the Graun about the Vienna talks at all.

We find this strange.

Other corporate outlets at least managed to squeeze in a mention. Bloomberg, for example, and even the WSJ. The Independent mentioned it, but apparently thinks it’s not as important as a Mexican theatre troupe lampooning Donald Trump, and their headline is pure fiction:

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Paris is our legacy

Have our military actions abroad made the UK or America any safer today? How about France? Are the French safe now? 

  

If the West had not spent the past year and a half messing around in Syria, illegally arming and backing moderate terrorists…Sorry… Rebels.. in an attempt to overthrow the Assad regime then maybe, just maybe ISIS wouldn’t have been able to carry out its atrocity in Paris last night.  

In other news this morning that you may have missed members of the Afghanistan army are beginning to defect to the Taliban taking their weapons with them. Dozens have already done so. You can read the story here. The reason for entering Afghanistan after the 9/11 attack on America was allegedly due to The Taliban providing refuge to Osama Bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda. 

Years later many British and American troops have lost their lives in “the war on terror” along with countless civilians and Afghan forces. Now it seems it may all be for nothing. 

Back on 20th October the Taliban took back a stronghold from the British in Helmund as reported here with the headline “security unravels” 

Perhaps though this will suit the Americans and the British. As no progress has been made in Syria and the West is losing face to the Russian and Kurdish forces perhaps their attention will be drawn to Afghanistan and they will use that as their get out (of Syria) clause and if that happens then the West will be engaged on four fronts in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, not to mention our intervention in Libya. 

It’s sometimes easy to forget the incredible mess that the Middle Easy is in. 

Take the Kurdish forces for example, having recently taken back a town in Syria from ISIS they are clearly intent on ridding the region of ISIS yet Turkey is targeting the Kurds in more ways than one, including previousley using American weapons on the Kurds which were originally provided to them to fight ISIS. 

Yet Turkey are the allies of the West. 

Think about that whole scenario for a moment. Our allies are targeting other allies using weapons provided by other allies. 

  
Then of course you have the issues surrounding the terrorists..Oops there we go again…rebels..in Syria fighting Assad. The US admitted they have funded the rebels to the tune of $500Million to take on Assad and as we have already touched upon, this has allowed ISIS to gain strength, uninpeded for more than a year. Yet the moment Russia stepped in, at the legal request of the elected Syrian president and directly took on ISIS, the West announced that Russia was in fact “aggressive” that they have made Syria “unsafe” (because the countless countries already there illegally along with the rebels, ISIS and Assad’s own troops weren’t already making the place ‘unsafe’) and that Russia was “the single greatest threat” to the U.S. 

Not ISIS then? 

Of course the US so far have refused to work with Russia to defeat ISIS as they are incensed that they are also supporting the elected ruler of the country to remain in power.  

Peace talks are ongoing.. without President Assad.. and Saudi Arabia appear to be calling some of the shots by suggesting that for there to be peace Assad must go and Iran must withdraw from Syria (Iran is providing support to Assad also). 

Saudi Arabia. That bastion of human rights. The same Saudi Arabia that recently was heading up the Human Right Council thanks to the backing of David Cameron who admitted on air that the reason for “the deal” was because Saudi Arabia provides “valuable intelligence” for our security. Shame they didn’t see Paris coming. 

Of course this doesn’t touch on Saudi Arabia’s export of terrorism. Wahabbism. The origins of ISIS. 

If there is one thing that is very apparent it’s this; The world is far more unsafe now that Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Gaddafi (and soon Assad?) have been dispatched from their seats of power. The void they have left has not only given rise to ISIS but also paved the way for last nights terror attack in Paris. 

You can bet your last dime or penny on one thing, the war hawks will right now be deciding on what their next move will be. Whatever decision they make, it won’t be made listening to the public. 

1 Million people marching against the Iraq war only to be ignored was proof of that.

Our advice for what it’s worth? If you can’t bring yourselves to join with Russia and the Kurds and destroy ISIS and prevent another possible terror attack on a major Western City then get out of the Middle East, withdraw all troops before we make yet another catatsrophic mistake. 

  
Every action the West has done, especially over the past 15-20 years has led to this moment. There can be no doubt. Few though will admit it, instead they want nothing but war and that’s exactly where our leaders want to take us at our peril. 

The one thing we haven’t tried over the past 15-20 years is keeping our noses out. 

On a final note for those that may say 9/11 occurred when “we hadn’t done anything to them”. The interference of Middle Eastern politics goes back a long time, to the Afghan War when the British and Russians forst fought for control of the rebel groups of the time by providing them weapons. Sound familiar? Finally the first Iraq War in the mid 1990’s. Anyone with a good memory will recall what a mess we left Iraq in at the time. The people suffered as a result. We bred terrorists. 

There is little doubt that religious fundamentalism does play its part, but what you don’t do is feed that fundamentalism. 

Nothing we have done for the past 15-20 years+ has worked. It has not achieved anything of any benefit to anyone. 

How long before we wake up to the mess our own governments have created? 

France was recently declared in many quarters as the ‘New Britain’ to America. The ‘right hand’ country to the U.S. 

If we don’t wish to reap, let us not sow any more. 

The droning of Jihadi John: another blockbuster for our delectation

by BlackCatte The corporate media – that has been studiously ignoring all the reports of Syrian army victories in recent days – has put out the bunting today, because the Pentagon says it has launched a drone strike against “Jihadi John” and is 99% sure it has been successful. The Telegraph has front page rolling […]

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Breaking: Israeli air force attacks near Damascus airport, reports

Still from the video below. Press TV reports: Israeli warplanes have struck targets near the international airport in the Syrian capital, Damascus, Syrian media says. The reports said the attack happened Wednesday morning. There were no immediate comments from the Syrian government on the issue. In October, the Israeli military launched a number of artillery attacks against […]

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